Hornbill Unleashed

January 24, 2013

Of Bibles and crosses

Mohsin Abdullah

While some Muslims may find the symbols ‘sensitive’, others don’t mind ‘haram’ advertising of beer.

I MUST admit I’ve not heard of it before. Apparently, there’s a group in Penang which is called Persatuan Mukabuku Pulau Pinang Pinang. In English that should be Penang Facebook Association.

Anyway, as we know recent media reports quoted the association president – a gentleman by the name of Salleh Ismail – as saying “two men were seen circulating bibles to students including Muslim students outside a school in Jelutong, Penang”.

And we also know Deputy Education Minister Dr Puad Zarkashi has asked police to investigate as, said the deputy minister, “proselytisation of Muslims is against the law in the country”.

Datuk Seri Jamil Khir Baharom, Minister in the PM’s Department meanwhile, has urged the police to “act fast as this is a very sensitive issue”.

That’s the law of the land. Hence must be respected. Let the police probe.

Without going into that particular “case”, I find myself asking this question. If, for some reason, someone comes up to me and hands me a copy of the Bible, what would I do?

Well I can:

1) Turn it down ie do not accept the “gift”;

2) Accept politely, say thank you, put it away somewhere and forget about it totally;

3) Read the Bible although I’m not sure if I can understand or comprehend;

4) Study it. After all, the late Ahmad Deedat, the Muslim missionary studied the Bible and the knowledge in his own words made him stronger in his belief of the Islamic faith. Some even called him the “Great Islamic Scholar of the Bible”. Whether one agrees with that or for that matter Ahmad Deedate’s “style” of teaching and propagating Islam is another matter.

Point is he wasn’t, for want of a better word, “afraid” of the Bible. Unlike many or some (definitely not all) Malay/Muslims in Malaysia.

Which bring us to the Christian cross – seen by Christians as a representation of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

We know that many schools, which were formerly run by the Christian missionary, have had the school emblems and badges “modified”. Meaning the cross in the emblem had been removed by order of the authorities. Some replaced by other “objects” like a star. The reason being to remove any “religious semblance” so to speak.

It is said the original emblem in the school badge (with the cross) can be “offending” to students of other faith (other than needless to say Christianity). Especially Muslim students. So that puts the cross, like the Bible, as something to be “afraid” of for Malay/Muslims here?

That brings me to rugby. Yes, the game played with an oval shaped ball. The game of hooligans played by gentlemen. Something like that.

The other day, I watched a rugby game which featured one of the top clubs in Malaysia. The club is run predominantly by Malays who are Muslims of course. The players are also predominantly Malay/Muslim. Majority Allah-fearing and hold steadfast to the pillars of Islam.

But emblazoned across their jerseys is the name of a well-known beer. Obviously, the club is sponsored by a brewery. Yes, they needed the money to do a host of things but let’s not go there.

Point is we have a group of “God-fearing” Muslims who have no qualms in “advertising” or “promoting” a beer brand. Not “afraid” of associating with something “haram”?

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16 Comments »

  1. Watching the videos above really amazes me how these clowns and retarded fellas can shout so much about Islam and yet on draw days, you will find these very clowns queuing up in the 4D shops to gamble. You will also find these very clowns visiting spas etc. Shame on them.

    Comment by klcharmer — January 25, 2013 @ 11:40 AM | Reply

  2. After all the rhetorics, money is their ultimate god.

    Comment by Tee Ann — January 25, 2013 @ 12:13 AM | Reply

  3. These low life thugs from UMNO will do anything including burning their own mosques or Quran to start a riot. They can preach and remind Malaysians time and again about the peace and harmony achieved over the last 50 years but will not hesitate to start a riot to stay in power at all cost. Our institutions too must liberate themselves from the clutches of UMNO. Malaysians are now seeing the true colors of an UMNO controlled BN which has been highly arrogant, corrupted, abusive, repressive and oppressive to remain in power. Malaysia needs its very own citizens to overthrow the corrupted regime at the ballot boxes because the EC is more prepared to sink with UMNO by doing absolutely nothing about the tainted electoral rolls and illegally registered voters. Make sure every member of your family, relatives, colleagues and friends including the sicks and disabled cast their most important vote in their entire life as a Malaysian.

    Comment by Mata Kuching — January 24, 2013 @ 10:42 PM | Reply

  4. SILENT RIOT- Who burnt mosques in Sabah?
    http://www.youtube.com/user/KOMASVIDEOS

    Comment by NEWSITEMS — January 24, 2013 @ 10:01 PM | Reply

    • Comment by NEWSITEMS — January 25, 2013 @ 7:57 AM | Reply

  5. NO MORE NEED TO BE SAY MORE OR RESPOND TO “ALLAH” FANATICS- THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS FAST DRAWING NEAR FOR UMNO BN!

    Religion is the last issue UMNO BN can use to rally support. But the people have seen through its divisive tactics and willno longer put up with more nonsense.

    Instead of wasting arguing with the UMNO extremists over a word and falling into their trap, it is best to use the issue of religious freedom as part of the campaign for a democracy pluralist and secular society.

    This is a more positive way to rally every one to vote against UMNO BN

    Comment by MALAY CHRISTIAN — January 24, 2013 @ 9:28 PM | Reply

  6. THE MAN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FARCE THAT IS DIVIDING PEOPLE IN MALAYA SABAH & SARAWAK!

    Mahathir barefaced denial of political repression- as he has done in the RCI exposes. Video exposes inhumane treatment of political prisoners.

    Comment by Anon — January 24, 2013 @ 9:04 PM | Reply

  7. IS ALLAH A MALAY?

    How about all the other non-Malay Muslims in the world- do they object to non-Muslims using the word “Allah”?

    No one is saying Muslims cannot use the word “GOD”..

    “The danger with distributing bibles to school children is that these are the young minds that are easily influenced” (quote “Muslim”)

    How do you explain this logic when UMNO is allowing proselytization in the school and non-Muslim kids are forced to recite the Koran.

    Some Orang Asli kids got slapped in Malaya for not reciting the Koran prayers. And remember our Kuching school kid who got caned for sharing his fried rice?

    UMNO is also reclassifying non-Malay native people as “Muslims”…in Sarawak…why?

    Where is the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Malayan Constitution?

    Marina Mahathir says “should not allow minority to hijack Islam”- unequivocally condemns act of banning use of “Allah” by non-Muslims, behooves Muslims to act properly…

    Marina: Losing the moral high ground

    Allah-issue-what-they-says.mp4

    Comment by Anon — January 24, 2013 @ 8:57 PM | Reply

  8. Mr James Big,5.03 PM,
    You DON’T need to be rude and uncouth in your postings. Everyone is entitle to their views. Please learn to agree to disagree in blogging. If you are so emotional my advice is to lay-off and take a break for some fresh air. By calling others an idiot would NOT make you a BETTER PERSON and your LEVEL IS NO HIGHER THAN THE PERSON YOU ADDRESS. It only reflects on your POOR up-bringing. It takes another BIGGER IDIOT TO RECOGNISE AN IDIOT. It also takes ANOTHER BIGGER DUMBASS TO RECOGNISE ANOTHER DUMBASS. You got it???

    Comment by tahaneverest02@gmail.com — January 24, 2013 @ 7:21 PM | Reply

  9. Comment no 4 by a ‘muslim’ shows how ignorant you are.For any individual, the religion is very persoanl between you and God and all these rituals ARE MEANING LESS, if the heart does not follow the faith.

    Comment by kancilmelakas — January 24, 2013 @ 4:48 PM | Reply

  10. Very good.

    Comment by edward, m — January 24, 2013 @ 3:59 PM | Reply

  11. All authentic religion teaches us to be God-fearing and to lead a noble life. So, there is no need to suspect nor fear any such religion. Practise and have faith in each other’s God and it’s teachings. Peace be with you all!! Salam

    Comment by mike joey — January 24, 2013 @ 3:42 PM | Reply

  12. I agreed. Forcing something down the throat is a practice which I don’t agree with.
    I have heard of a true story of a young boy was punished by his mother to stand up instead of sitting down due to certain mistake he has made .
    The boy even though stood up but he then tell his mother, “even though I’m standing up but in my heart I’m sitting down”.
    What does this tell?
    A person may very well appears as very obedient but it’s what is in his heart that counts.

    Comment by TS — January 24, 2013 @ 3:29 PM | Reply

  13. Two wrongs do not make a right. The rugby club obviously should not accept sponsorship from a brewery if majority of the playeres are Malays. The authorities should advise them on this aspect.

    The danger with distributing bibles to school children is that these are the young minds that are easily influenced. There are many things in the quran that are not in the bible….eg. that Muslims must perform the Haj. These youngsters may be influenced by the bible which is seen as less restrictive in terms of certain obligations. I am sure this is the first step in trying to influence these young minds….let them read the bible first and once you catch their attention, they may hold sessions to explqin what’s in there. We know that it is a fact that some Malays have converted to Christianity….all thru the edforts of the Evangelists. Non-Muslims (read: Christians) have no business to interfere in other religions! They should just practise what they believe and stay away from trying to spread their message to Muslims!

    Comment by Muslim — January 24, 2013 @ 1:22 PM | Reply

    • HELLO dumbass who the HELL interfere with whose religion? Can anyone provide proof of proselytisation to Muslim? You better get your brain checked for you are lower than the level of an IDIOT.

      Comment by James Big — January 24, 2013 @ 5:03 PM | Reply

    • Have you read the bible before? I had as I am naturally interested in spiritual stuff. I am not a Christian. Maybe it was just me, but after just a few pages, I couldn’t continue anymore. To me at least, it was beyond my level of comprehension, though I read English books regularly. Not only the language, but the structure of how The Book was written is not what we normally experience in modern text. I finally have to resort to other book-for-dummy type that was written for “layman” like me (that, some will argue, not “original”). Like in any classical text, without the equivalent “Ulama” who has the education to point out “certain less restrictive obligations”, they are not immediate apparent in the Book, even though one has the ability and interest to finish reading it. Now you tell me, how can an average young student be influenced by the Bible? There are many other Christian books that are much easier and interesting, but distributing Bible, in English or BM, is the least effective way of proselytising the religion.

      Comment by NHC — January 25, 2013 @ 2:43 PM | Reply


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