Hornbill Unleashed

July 22, 2013

I am a Muslim and I am not that offended

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Young Singaporean Muslim

When I first saw the “Halal Bak Kut Teh” picture on The Real Singapore Facebook page, I was irritated but I didn’t think much of it. I believed the guy was an idiot and that’s it. But I was surprised that the backlash has gotten so big over just a few hours.

I was disappointed to see so much hate comments being posted by fellow Muslims over this one photo and some even go far as to post threats of violence and death threats. And now, the couple is facing up to 15 years in jail and heavy fines over this one photo, which really saddens me as thieves and people with assault charges usually get much less.

Why am I not offended? I actually have a different perspective on the issue. I subscribed to a few foreign news channels like Al Jazeera and The Young Turks and I have seen the faces of REAL HATE.

I have seen people like Pastor Terry Jones, who called for the burning of the Quran. I have seen a group of Islamophobic Americans gather to throw hateful slurs at a mosque event in California. I have seen the absolute disrespect of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and his blasphemous film which he called “The innocence of muslims”. I have seen the bigotry and also the sympathy of the people of Texas in ABC news experiment “What would you do?” when Muslims are discriminated. I have seen a Hispanic woman pushing a Muslim man onto an oncoming train, killing him, just because he was Muslim. And the worst of late, I have seen the genocide of the Muslim Rohingya people by the so called “Buddhist” Burmese.

The face of hate comes in many sickening form. But when I see Alvin’s face, I don’t see a hateful person; I just see the face of a troll.

Understanding hate and dark humor.

Maybe it is because of my age and my exposure to the internet, I understand dark humor and some can be really funny. I am a fan of South Park with their highly intelligent yet crude but funny jokes and satires. But in the end, dark humor is essentially a joke that can either be funny or fall flat and just be stupid.

I would say that Alvin’s Halal Bak Kut Teh photo is just a piece of really bad dark humor that is not funny. There is no real malice in this photo. He did not insult our prophet, he did not call for the Quran to be defaced and he did not go out to injure a fellow Muslim. At most I could say that he is insensitive for suggesting that a dish most commonly made with pork is halal.

We are getting into an uproar over FOOD? Let’s change the situation a bit and say Alvin did the same photo BUT with frog legs (which is also haram). How much of an uproar will that make?

Being respected. As Muslims, we always ask that our religion be respected. But it would be hard to respect someone if he acts like an overly sensitive baby who would throw a tantrum over such a small issue. We need to be mature. If you find the photo insensitive, feel free to make a video or make an article to address how insensitive the post is or simply bring this matter to facebook admin let them handle it. To issue threats of violence, instigate suicide and even death threats over a food related matter is simply unacceptable.

Justice. Quoting from the Holy Quran 2:190

“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

The concept is simple, if you are called to defend our faith, do so without transgression. If you are threatened with words, you are to fight back with words ONLY. If you are threatened with fists, you are to fight back with fists at most. If you are threatened with a sword, you may fight back with a sword.

What Alvin did does not warrant jail time for up to 15 years or even such a heavy fine. Prison is a place where we keep thieves, robbers, rapists and murderers, people who have committed crimes against property and person. To treat Alvin, whose crime is bad humor, like a harden criminal is indeed transgressing the limit. At most, all he deserves is a small fine and mandatory community work (maybe at a mosque so he could learn a thing or two about being with Muslims).

In all, we must keep things in perspective in issuing justice so that our emotion doesn’t cloud our reason. We should not turn an issue about food into something that could divide a nation and we must act more maturely if we want to be respected. – The Real Singapore

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131 Comments »

  1. Why dont we think this way… If you all let this couple go for some counseling and Islamic class.. Who are you to say they wont terima hidayah and convert to become a Muslim? Maybe it will be a lesson for them to understand the beauty of Islam?

    Comment by LionKnight — July 26, 2013 @ 11:48 AM | Reply

  2. I think having said that Malaysia is a Muslim nation, they should have thought about consequences before posting this up. The post have offended the majority Muslims in Malaysia as well as Singapore. This is a sensitive issue to be taken in consideration as I can bet 1 out 2 Muslims will find this really offensive. I guess what made people more raging is the fact that they included the Halal logo in their joke. They might not be getting 15 years of jail but this is an eye-opener for people like them to think before they act.

    Comment by Donna — July 25, 2013 @ 2:32 PM | Reply

  3. As a person of the same age as Alvin and Malaysian Chinese as well, I feel that Alvivi deserve to get some punishments, but not as harsh as 15 years behind bars. We mustn’t forget that Alvin was a law scholarship holder from NUS. This means that he knows “apa yang salah di sisi undang-undang”, and is undoubtedly smarter than many. What else can be said when a well-educated couple has taken the effort to go to a restaurant that sells bak kut teh, order the bak kut teh, eat the bak kut teh, take picture with the bak kut teh, and post the bak kut teh photo online? They had all the time they need to think twice before they posted!

    Comment by Celeste — July 24, 2013 @ 10:33 PM | Reply

    • THEREFORE, since they are able to think ‘twice’ and you say they had ample time to think ‘twice’ but however still continued with their non humorous joke of insulting islam, that they are in the wrong.
      I wonder, what sort of reply did they expect?? : ‘LOL’? ‘HAHA’?

      Comment by M.U — July 25, 2013 @ 8:07 AM | Reply

  4. i just think that is it because Alvin and his gf are chinese? (i actually imply that the laws is being racism).
    i’m Malaysian and i understand after the election, the UMNO and malsysian chinese relationship are being tense. however, i do not think that the laws are being fair. they did mistakes on making jokes but, why such a harsh punishment (15yrs?)
    i met lots of muslims people, they can treat these jokes with peaceful mind, how can the laws not doing this? where is the law of being fair and justice? Another things, isn’t the law is based on their Halal? They promote halal is being peaceful, kind and forgiveness. Then, why the couple receive these harsh punishment?

    Comment by The Rights? — July 24, 2013 @ 3:45 PM | Reply

  5. I’m a muslim .. no doubt about it bak kut teh is always haram as it contains pork. alvin and vivian must face the punishment .. but how about UMNO BN leaders (most of them r muslims) who are making fun with the hudud law..? they said hudud is not part of islam or the holy quran..they also said hudud was implemented by the people not Allah.. and what about money from Spot Toto which has been used to finance Umno political activities and fill up the bank account of UMNO Muslim warlords.. ?? UMNO is always a hypocrite party and a party that never and ever follow the religion islam.. it is always make sense if a non muslim are making fun of islam but is it make sense of a muslim making fun and playing around with the religion Islam like UMNO BN??

    Comment by ijmal hakim — July 24, 2013 @ 12:40 PM | Reply

    • i Salute you.

      Comment by Justice will prevail — July 25, 2013 @ 1:05 AM | Reply

  6. Bak kut teh doesn’t have to be pork! I speak hokkien, “Bak Kut Teh” is a language in hokkien.
    Bak = meat (not necessarily pork), Kut = bone, Teh= tea…
    My mum cooks bak kut teh with chicken, deer meat, beef balls etc etc…
    Bak Kut Teh doesn’t refer to pork! Then?? why so many people get offended with something they don’t even fully understand in the 1st place?
    haizz……imagine yourself put behind bars for 15 years for a silly poster? There’s millions of troll poster in 9gag etc etc!
    what about putting all those people behind bars for somehow insulting someone in the world with their jokes?

    Comment by thinker — July 24, 2013 @ 10:18 AM | Reply

    • “haizz”? haha.

      Clearly, since you are not muslim you do not know what its like to have your religion insulted. A large number of people in the entire world only ‘think’ they know what islam is…
      We do not have to explain our religion, although, why dont you read our Quran and research about islam as a curiosity perspective.. researching and learning about islam is not an over night thing.

      If they want us to be peaceful and kind on their sentence then all you have to do is the same for us.
      Karma is a bitch, isnt it?

      Comment by M.U — July 25, 2013 @ 8:13 AM | Reply

  7. Alvin and Vivien had done wrong yes…….but this time is a big mistake
    the mistake of having Non-Halal Bak Kut Teh and wishing Selamat Berbuka Puasa to the Muslim People.I feel angry on what they have done,but feeling sorry for them too.
    Yes,as a Non-Muslim,and I have a lot of Muslim friends they tell me that Allah all Merciful, most Merciful,shouldn’t we have mercy on them too?
    Malay proverb states”Bumi Mana Yang Tidak Ditimpa Hujan?” means that everybody will make mistakes,yes but putting them behind bars will really spoil and destroy the future of this young ones,shouldn’t we give them a chance, lighten the sentence of this young people but punish for what they did .

    Comment by Justice will prevail — July 24, 2013 @ 6:31 AM | Reply

    • If they want us to be peaceful and merciful on their sentence then treat us the same.
      its a 2 WAY RELATIONSHIP guys, you cant expect to receive mercy and kindness if you do not give it.

      Comment by M.U — July 25, 2013 @ 8:16 AM | Reply

  8. I too don’t like what the two did. But, with due respect to every single human being on earth; the rich, powerful, intelligent, wise, religious, respectful, educated, poor, illiterate, non-religious, well behaved, despised, slave-masters, slave, the mean, the cruel, etc, etc ,etc you all can name them! Let all of you including me most of all sincerely check who and what inside us! I tend to ponder with this writing, I still receive some bad respond from some round the world. What is good, what is bad. What is right, what is wrong. Who can have the right answer? Who can be the right judge to each single one’s inner nature.

    Comment by Ahlee — July 24, 2013 @ 12:10 AM | Reply

  9. What happen when someone (Like the F politicians, TEACHERS, HEADMASTER) said “Apa Cina mahu?”, “Orang cina balik China”,
    “Chop the lembu head”, …etc? And nothing happen

    Comment by sssssssss — July 23, 2013 @ 11:30 PM | Reply

  10. Being a muslim have a lot of haram things. such as pork, dog, gamble, alcohol, drugs, etc. etc. But whenever pork is related, you muslim (majority in malaysia) will turn the world upside down. and then you go to your drinking, gambling, drugs addict, etc etc. aint it the same? if you muslim (majority in malaysia) want to be a real muslim, then please dont drink gamble, sport toto, etc etc. If you can do that then only come turn the world upside down with this stupid couples.

    Comment by CIMB = Cina Indian Malay Bangladeshi? — July 23, 2013 @ 11:13 PM | Reply

    • This is the holiest month in the Muslim Calendar; to be holy means to forgive unconditionally the wrongdoings of a Muslim or non-Muslim. A Muslim should forgive himself also (the most difficult person to forgive). Did anybody think along this line? In the Gospel (also a recognized book to Muslims) Jesus told the accusers of an adulterous lady to throw a stone to the lady if anyone among them has not sinned. Are these people too flawless themselves that they want to jail the harmless couple to 15 years? Could the prosecutors tell which section of the Panel code was breached by the sexually crazy couple?

      Comment by robinhood — July 24, 2013 @ 9:11 PM | Reply

  11. It was wrong , but not as wrong and dumb as burning so many books of Bible in public before elections.

    Comment by Lathif — July 23, 2013 @ 10:42 PM | Reply

    • Fact is Alvin and Vivien’s actions only made themselves look bad – their actions may have mocked Islam but did not make Islam look bad. It’s the muslims doing bad stuff who make Islam look bad. And what have many muslims done in response to the two mockers? They have made Islam look bad. If your religion really needs that sort of defending it’s not worth defending. Defend your religion- don’t damage it’s image.

      Comment by anon — July 24, 2013 @ 11:17 AM | Reply

  12. The world is so colourful

    Comment by Despicable ME — July 23, 2013 @ 9:50 PM | Reply

  13. Lee Kuan Yew was right by once saying ” the Chinese are marginalised in Malaysia”

    The way this stupid couple was treated could somehow relate to the elements that form that statement.

    Malaysian Malays (in general the Muslims) would find any excuse to pounce on a prey (like Alvin) by them just making one (small) mistake.

    This is …. sadly… the Malay-sia today.

    Comment by Sad Cinapek — July 23, 2013 @ 7:19 PM | Reply

    • keluar la dari malaysia pegi singapore

      Comment by ha — July 23, 2013 @ 10:24 PM | Reply

    • IDGAF. These 2 fools want publicity by doing dumb stunts like this and got persecuted in the end. I couldnt care less. The fact that people are wasting time and energy defending them is just stupid. Hundreds of people die every day. If you want to make a difference, please go and debate on other more important issues. The fact is that the majority of Malaysians wouldnt even give a damn even if they died tomorrow.

      Comment by RealistBastard — July 24, 2013 @ 4:33 AM | Reply

    • As a Malay & Chinese mix blood, I’m sorry that these blatant idiots are serving 15 years behind bars.
      A lesson learned to all so not make fun of other religions.
      I know this doesn’t apply to Muslims who insulted the Christians or Buddhist & it is somewhat unfair.
      Maybe they should have done the same towards these idiots too, the Quran doesn’t teach Muslim to insult other religions.
      But compared to Singapore, it was written in the constitution that “Islam agama rasmi” Malaysia.
      And by saying “Malay-sia”, you appear to be as racist as those you claimed to be.

      Comment by S.A — July 25, 2013 @ 6:52 PM | Reply

  14. Serve them right! This is what happens when the chinese make mistakes.. Some of the muslims will stand by them and their own race will support. This is not about muslims saying the “world is our own” , but respect for other religious is what we want. How will u feel when ur own beliefs and religion been mocked like this? I believe same case will happen.

    Comment by unknown — July 23, 2013 @ 6:45 PM | Reply

  15. Hey Young Muslim Singapore, if you truly islam, you never said like this.. Lain kali belajar ugama, al-quran, baru nak buat statement mcm nie… Kalau al-quran pun tak abih baca dan tak paham apa maksud dalam nyer, tak payah nak buat statement bagus mcm nie…ingat allah selalu ada dengan orang yang selalu tegakkan agama islam… nama jer islam…bukan main lagi update “im muslim” tapi otak bukan mcm orang islam…. solat 5 waktu cukup dulu , puasa pun bagi cukup dulu, baru nak berbahas …..

    Comment by anisah — July 23, 2013 @ 6:24 PM | Reply

    • si young muslim ni buat buat pandai je. ni pandai pandai petik satu ayat je dalam al-quran lepas tu tafsir sendiri

      Comment by ha — July 23, 2013 @ 10:42 PM | Reply

    • Real stupid reply here

      Comment by Just — July 24, 2013 @ 9:33 AM | Reply

  16. Freedom of speech is to a certain extent till its a freedom of punching you in the face. You understand that religion plays a huge role in this country and after what we have seen we are on crossroads with each other, but yet you still try to fuel the fire. What the fuck is wrong with your mindset? And you expect us Muslims to be liberal and treat this as a joke? No Islam is not a joke and no religion in the world is a joke, those who dare to play around would only know the consequences facing them. So yeah you guys deserve it, maybe a bit over-exaggerated but still within means.

    Comment by yomama — July 23, 2013 @ 6:08 PM | Reply

  17. deserved it..

    Comment by ady — July 23, 2013 @ 5:46 PM | Reply

  18. Kawan, ini Malaysia. Islam dalah agama rasmi. Kalau dah duduk Malaysia, hormatilah undang-undang Malaysia.

    Comment by ina — July 23, 2013 @ 5:44 PM | Reply

    • No..kita jgn ckp this is Malaysia or xsuka jgn duduk Malaysia.. but harus respect Islam agama rasmi Malaysia seperti yg termaktub dlm perlembagaan yg dipersetujui oleh 3 bangsa termasuk nenek moyang sebangsa mereka. Nowadays byk api2 yg cuba melakukan kekacauan yg sebenarnya dtg dr bangsa mereka..mereka kata islam or malays racist but secara hakikatnya mereka…cuba lihat dimana2 shaja artikel yg dikeluarkan berunsur perkauman dimana kita masih bersikap toleransi dgn mereka…

      Comment by unknown — July 23, 2013 @ 11:17 PM | Reply

  19. I think their best punishment is to assign an Uztaz to teach them the depth of this religion rather than jail or fine. They should learn moral, decency & respect; jail & fine just doesnt imply much effects on idiots.

    Comment by Malaysian — July 23, 2013 @ 5:17 PM | Reply

    • If we didi that, they will say that we r trying to convert them…believe me, this is their mindset or (agenda)

      Comment by anon — July 23, 2013 @ 11:20 PM | Reply

  20. Bak Tuk teh is haram to Muslims as it is from pork. What about money from Spot Toto which has been used to finance Umno political activities and fill up the bank account of Umno Muslim warlords. So that is not haram and insensitive to the Muslim community?

    Comment by Lucas Barry — July 23, 2013 @ 5:12 PM | Reply

  21. This has the most comments in this blog meaning this is a hot/interesting/popular topic. This is nothing compared to a Sarawakian friend of mine working in Malaya. This Malaya family agreed to rent his house to this poor non-Muslim Teacher. After a second thought this Malaya guy shut his door to this teacher saying his house is not for rental to a non-Muslim. Poor him. The family of this teacher had to move out at night ……….

    Comment by i knowit all — July 23, 2013 @ 4:26 PM | Reply

  22. I’m not a Malay but I got offended when I saw that picture. Honestly, my Muslim friends are some of the most helpful people you can ever want to meet and I always get angry on their behalf when people ridicule them. Then again, 15 years of jail is really harsh… and a burden on taxpayers. I think demanding a public apology, giving them a small fine and then making them serve community service in a mosque would be a more appropriate course of action.

    Comment by Soot — July 23, 2013 @ 3:29 PM | Reply

  23. Well, yes, what they did was wrong. But the problem we’re concerned about is what if lets say 2 muslims instead throw a cow head at a hindu temple, does anyone here believe that those 2 will be jailed more than 1 year ? They might not even need to enter a jail or pay fines at all.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 23, 2013 @ 3:21 PM | Reply

  24. how about when Malay politicians insult Chinese people to go back to where they came from? Malaysia will NEVER EVER grow if they keep focusing on small matters like these. If you want to give them a lesson, 15 years of jail does not give them a lesson, it does not make others stop insulting each other. it builds 15 years of additional hatred, plus the hatred of other’s who think these idiots do not deserve jail time. instead of making Malaysia a better place, it’s just strengthening that gap between different races, splitting the country into 2. is that the unity Malaysia wants? is that the unity Malaysia is actually aiming for?

    Comment by Jo — July 23, 2013 @ 3:14 PM | Reply

  25. 15 years jail??? what about the “perkasa” want to burn bible?? no action taken until now??…from what i see, this is just an emotional punishment. Nothing to do with religion. Decision making by human acting like god. huh!

    Comment by Neutral — July 23, 2013 @ 2:53 PM | Reply

  26. this is not how we should deal with it… prison is not the answer… what we should do is to show them the beauty of ISLAM. We supposed to deal it like how our Prophet Muhammad S.A.W deal with it… http://hasnulhadiahmad.com/kisah-wanita-tua-zaman-nabi-berulang-di-amerika/

    Comment by Azahari A.R (@velther) — July 23, 2013 @ 2:37 PM | Reply

  27. Things like this happens only in Malaysia. What they do are stupid and wrong but i dont think they deserve a 15 years jail. No wonder the safety in the country are getting worst and worst. Because you can steal, rape and do whatever and the police will never find you or you’ll just get away with few years jail / fine / .

    Comment by Joe.s — July 23, 2013 @ 2:34 PM | Reply

  28. Well written!
    One thing that i can be sure of, they have muslim friends and didnt mean to offend anybody.

    I believe theyre just trying to be funny.
    Which fail badly.

    No worries, they skipped the jail sentence. 🙂 im pretty sure they have learnt their lesson.

    So haters, move on to next issue please. 🙂

    Comment by oncebefore — July 23, 2013 @ 2:31 PM | Reply

  29. this one is ok iet it be, in fact malaysian government try to uphold the harmonious in the multiracial society, this is good. But the point is don’t be double standard, have to be fair and square to everyone who against the law regardless of race.

    Comment by sin-er — July 23, 2013 @ 2:17 PM | Reply

  30. totally agree on this ….This world is no fair… power & punishment just use to punish weak people….when richer people,politician people,super racist people make criminal,rapes or more bad thing,no judge on them….

    Comment by funny — July 23, 2013 @ 2:15 PM | Reply

  31. If we do not teach them some lesson, there would be more and more peoples that will be disgrace and disrespectful to our religion and sensitivity in the future and especially in our country. This punishment will exactly tell them that this is what you get if you try to make comedy or dark comedy whatsoever about other religion. Learn to respect others if you want others to respect you..i’m sorry because this is what i think and i do not agree with your opinion. By the way, they T are both found guilty under the charges of:
    a) Section 5 of the Film Censorship Act 2002 for publishing indecent photographs online between July 6 and 7. If found guilty they can be fined not less than RM10,000 or not more than RM50,000 and or imprisoned for not exceeding five years;

    b) 298A Penal Code for promoting enmity between different groups of religion or race and doing acts prejudicial to maintaining harmony by publishing an offensive Ramadan greeting which carries a minimum jail term of two years or a maximum of five years; and

    c) Section 4(1) (c) of the 1948 Sedition Act for posting seditious material through the offensive greeting which carries fine maximum fine of RM5,000.

    This is the reason they got themselves in prison.

    Comment by Coleks — July 23, 2013 @ 1:30 PM | Reply

    • “Our religion”. That term you just used is inviting comments of double standards being practised in the country. I’m all for arresting them for knowingly breaking the law, but what about the politicians? Honestly, if they’re arrested, toss Muhiyiddin and Najib and the Perkasa fellows. Have they not tossed racial slurs at MY religion?? Stop being so shallow. If you’re gonna remove one bad influence, you might as well clear them all.

      Comment by ReligionLOL — July 23, 2013 @ 2:29 PM | Reply

    • No offense, SO what happen to those Malays that taking their picture in front of the Chinese’s grave yard with those disrespect manner? Do they deserve to be jailed into prison for 5 years? 10 years? or 15 years?

      Comment by kf — July 23, 2013 @ 2:38 PM | Reply

    • I agree with your analysis and conclusion that they should enter prison for their actions if they KNEW they were deliberately breaking the law. However, they presented very crude and insensitive humour, which is uncommon at a public scale, unknowingly breaking the law in the process. Therefore the punishment is a bit extreme for someone who did not knowingly break the law.

      There is an issue here that would give some food for thought however. There are many actions, primarily by Malays, that have been insulting to Christians. The people who conducted these activities are not people who do not know the details behind the constitutional laws of Malaysia yet are allowed to live their lives without consequences for their actions and in fact boast about it, as though they were heroes for doing thus. This is the degree of corruption and racism Malaysia has descended to, where money and influence buys more power than virtue and principle.

      Comment by La papa — July 23, 2013 @ 11:48 PM | Reply

  32. According to what I know, nothing happened to katak whom he said to have a bible burning fiesta just because there’s the word “Allah” in it. Secondly, nothing was done to that Zul Noordin after he insulted the Hindus. Nothing BIG was done by the government to these scumbags but 15 years to these poor couples. They

    Comment by Brian Goh Zhen hong — July 23, 2013 @ 12:52 PM | Reply

    • Zul Noordin ‘insulted’ the Hindus during ceramah PAS in PRU12 2008..ironically there been indian in that ceramah but there are no big issues during that time..

      Comment by jay jay okacha — July 23, 2013 @ 3:56 PM | Reply

    • The two frogs were defeated last election, people don’t like him, the party don’t like him and the DUN don’t like him PADAN MUKANYA

      Comment by i knowit all — July 23, 2013 @ 4:30 PM | Reply

  33. if only Chinese stop being racist and stop tarnishing other religion and races..

    Comment by kamehame — July 23, 2013 @ 12:22 PM | Reply

    • 🙂 this comment sound pretty racist to me… are you even listening to yourself? 😀

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:25 PM | Reply

    • pls , not only chinese being racist okay?

      Comment by vin — July 23, 2013 @ 5:12 PM | Reply

  34. Hey you…YOUNG SINGAPOREAN MUSLIM…this not because you are young, dark humor, or what every you call or think about it….and PLEASE DON’T QUOTE 1 PARAGRAPH ONLY FROM AL QURAN. i think you also (“young singaporean muslim”) need to know or LEARN more about ISLAM and about Al Quran…PLEASE…PLEASE…PLEASE….” THIS 2 people ( “A” and “V”)-i dont want to say they name…because, if they are human, they should have brain to think before do it…. SHOULD BE PUNISH MORE!!!! THEY SHOULD ” RESPECT” for you (young singaporean muslim) …please learn more about islam…don’t said it if you really don’t understand ISLAM very well….

    Comment by Idris — July 23, 2013 @ 11:30 AM | Reply

    • lol…how bout u quote something else from the al-Quran then. Here’s another thing people should respect – other’s perspective. I find the writer genuinely young and wise, nevertheless, i do believe the outraged was for some reason to ensure realization and awareness that ones religion should always be respected at all times, especially being in a multi-racial country. However, it is only fair that when punishment are equal. similarly to as when a chinese are being insulted by indian and malays, or an indian insulted by chinese and malays, or malays being insulted by chinese and indians.
      im not saying your comment is ridiculous idris, im just saying, your outrage towards alvin and the partner could be a good thing, but why letting it go on young singaporean here? she/he is just getting her views and opinions across. likewise, you should respond too without judging her knowledge in Islam. No other is greater than Allah to know her better anyways.

      Comment by kc — July 23, 2013 @ 2:28 PM | Reply

    • you are missing the point of this article. he’s quoting on the idea of Muslim which is peace and love, not hate and anger. your comment feels more hate again. stop spreading hate. ‘teach them a lesson’ can be in many form. punishment is one way, showing them love and compassion is also another way. i guess we are just different in which way. i prefer the second one, clearly you prefer the first one. i respect that. can’t you respect other people’s?

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:27 PM | Reply

  35. One way or another, what they did is not acceptable as it mocks other religion especially during the Holy Ramadan time.
    However, the punishment is too harsh for their stupidity joke.

    At the very least, they did not create uproar among Malaysian like what our “LEADERS” did.
    Hope this time round they’ll learn how to respect & do a joke appropriately.

    Comment by Baka — July 23, 2013 @ 11:25 AM | Reply

  36. What these two doing was wrong. They might just doing what they thought was funny. Well everybody makes all kinds of jokes. About their sex blogs and all its their right and they didn’t hurt anyone by doing that, may be their family hurt. They will the one who will hurt by their action one day later when they will finally comes to right state of mind. Bak Kut Teh is a food that eaten by the rest of Malaysian who is non-Muslim. But why would people hates Pork meat so much? I know its non-halal but it doesn’t harm anyone. I won’t make someone become bad person. I ate it all my life I can get a degree and make my own living and I even able to be nice to everyone around me. It doesn’t cause me to become crazy or anything. Well maybe of it is full of germ. Well thats all to it. It is just one of the dish that we non-Muslim eat. So if its non-halal just leave it that way. Different about other stuff that actually hurts people such as Alcohol, cigarette and drug. I never see how Malaysia show their hates toward these items. Alcohol & drug can destroy a person and leave bad effect on others too. We never see in news that a person rape/ rob because he wants to eat pork. So stop being so hateful against pork instead hate alcohol, drug, night club and cigarette. These stuff actually harms people. Because I know alcohol is non-halal but there some Muslim drink them. But I didn’t judge them, its their own preferences, it they do sin its between them and God.

    Comment by Nori — July 23, 2013 @ 11:25 AM | Reply

    • no point you elaborate the benefits of pork and not. the point is not that. the point is to respect others where others have respect on you. stop dwelling on the pork, it’s got nothing to do with the pork. it’s clearly how ignorant and dumb we malaysian these days. our mind are still so small and shallow. what they did was a joke. a bad one. and they deserve to be punish for not respecting of others. period. but not that harshly!

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:31 PM | Reply

  37. DONT JUDGE TO MUCH TO THEM WHO MAKE A MISTAKEN, SEBAGAI YANG BERAGAMA PEKARA BEGITU TAK PERLU DI JADIKAN ISU BESAR,BANYAK LAGI HASUTAN YG PLG TERUK DLM HAL KEAGAMAAN. MEMBENCI SESAMA MANUSIA JUGA ADALAN SALAH SATU HASUTAN DARI SYAITAN YANG PALING BESAR….BIARLA MEREKA TANGGUNG DOSA SNDIRI KERNA HUKUMAN DR ALLAH LEBIH ADIL DRI HUKUMAN DUNIAWI YG LEBIH MENGERUHKAN KEADAAN …

    Comment by marlina — July 23, 2013 @ 11:15 AM | Reply

  38. he is guilty of being stupid…..nothing else….it’s funny to see how some ppl say such ads will seduce muslims into eating pork…you should have more faith in your faith an it’s teaching which is very old….i’m sure a muslim who is though on what is haram since birth will not be seduced by some guys stupidity…

    Comment by what_is_happening_to-the_world — July 23, 2013 @ 11:09 AM | Reply

  39. I agree with the writer. I don’t denial that both of them are stupid and don’t think before acting but there are a lot of thing the government need to focus instead of charging two of them just because of this. As always my point of view, there is no wrong with the religious, wrong with the people to interpret and carry it.

    Comment by Anonymous — July 23, 2013 @ 10:29 AM | Reply

  40. they deserved it.. mempersendakan agama Islam adalah bukan satu perkara yg lucu malah berdosa besar kerana Agama Islam adalah agama Allah melainkan org yg menyokong perbuatan itu adalah sama dgn org yg membuat perlakuan tersebut.

    Comment by Tok Janggut — July 23, 2013 @ 10:11 AM | Reply

  41. what pissses me off about this is bcause their intention was to provoke us muslims.. its not there to break a joke. its purely to tick muslims off and provoke us. so any shit coming their way is well deserved. 15 years of jail, thats harsh. i think the most suitable punishment would be a controlled bone breaking beatdown. we tie em up and then with some special torture device we break some of their bones but not so much to the point of irreparable damage. and then release them n let them heal. thats more humane in my oppinion.. think about it.

    Comment by Afiq Pistolero — July 23, 2013 @ 10:06 AM | Reply

    • i think you really need some professional help yourself.

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:33 PM | Reply

  42. From singapore she comes to malaysia as a ‘guest’ in our country and she insults the muslim community,

    why should she have the right to do it??? because her boyfriend is chinese malaysian??
    Come on guys, this is not your world… you share it with others too, dont be so insensitive and egotistical.

    Comment by MalaysianUnity — July 23, 2013 @ 10:06 AM | Reply

  43. Well they asked for it… why do they even have to post up that photo. if they werent looking for ‘trouble’ then dont do stupid things like this. Malaysia has various cultures and we are all supposed to be equal and united… i sincerely do not believe this makes us at peace.
    If they are given a light sentence or if this issue is brushed off without any consequences, then believe me, there will be more insults between religions or maybe even more insults towards the muslim community.

    They need to know that what they had posted is not some ‘joke’.

    Comment by SwissMuslim — July 23, 2013 @ 10:01 AM | Reply

    • you think in history of human beings are afraid of harsh sentence? they will take it as more of a suppression rather and they will come back twice the fold. look at the whole american-iraq war. look at the whole french revolution. religion prophets has already taught us and reminded us throughout history that it doesn’t work like that, sharing them with love and compassion does. yet, we have not evolve as half as much that we should. sad. but it’s okay, what i say or what you say or anyone say will not change for the matter. that is nature. sigh..

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:37 PM | Reply

  44. i agree with you at some points. there are other communities who are doing far worse damage in humiliating Islam. but maybe this whole uproar about them posting that picture can be taken as a lesson. not just to them, but for many other people out there too who are maybe thinking that this kind of action is nothing and can be taken lightly. they should know that making fun of Islam is not something we find humorous, whether it is just a lame joke or a death threat.

    Comment by mia j — July 23, 2013 @ 9:40 AM | Reply

  45. Very well said & I really do agree with the final 3 paragraphs.

    Comment by sexybackshane — July 23, 2013 @ 8:56 AM | Reply

  46. they did a good troll on our religion but do we trolled their religion? if we joke on what they got to do in others’ religion, i think they will take the same responses and actions too. its good to make a joke but not everything is a joke. this not about racist or what. we just need them to respect others’ religion as the others’ respect their religion. no need to make fun on that. so many troll picture in fb and why pick this issue as a joke. maybe they should start to learn to respect others. both of them are intelligent. they can make a different if they keep something in their mind. they just pick the wrong thing to throll. thats all. people can forgive them.

    Comment by hazirah — July 23, 2013 @ 8:09 AM | Reply

  47. Well. Its a bit harsh eh?
    15 years of sentence, its a bit too much for an idiot.
    But then again, they should know what to post and what not to post on public network in the first place regarding who they are.
    But I’M more in rage for those politician that clearly insult their own religion and walk away freely. They disguised me.

    Comment by ihsan — July 23, 2013 @ 7:46 AM | Reply

  48. only a racist can see it as racism…
    everything about Islam is racism… everything about any other religion never is…
    i have many great muslim friends, but i’m really sorry to say… too many Muslims in this country are pathetically over sensitive , as if they are the only human being in this world..! they really need to grow up, or stay a cave man till “akhirat”

    Comment by privani — July 23, 2013 @ 7:17 AM | Reply

    • true. but you are spreading more hate again. i apologize on behalf of non-muslim to the rest of the muslims who understands peace and love. stop telling people to grow up and grow up yourself silently.

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:39 PM | Reply

  49. his own fault , pork with halal logo ? are u kidding me ?? noob

    Comment by Nagase — July 23, 2013 @ 6:37 AM | Reply

  50. People a just stupid but in many way. IF only we learn to RESPECT each other this won’t even big issue to start with.

    Comment by Muhammad Hazim — July 23, 2013 @ 2:30 AM | Reply

  51. They are both guilty under the charges of:
    a) Section 5 of the Film Censorship Act 2002 for publishing indecent photographs online between July 6 and 7. If found guilty they can be fined not less than RM10,000 or not more than RM50,000 and or imprisoned for not exceeding five years;

    b) 298A Penal Code for promoting enmity between different groups of religion or race and doing acts prejudicial to maintaining harmony by publishing an offensive Ramadan greeting which carries a minimum jail term of two years or a maximum of five years; and

    c) Section 4(1) (c) of the 1948 Sedition Act for posting seditious material through the offensive greeting which carries fine maximum fine of RM5,000.

    This is the reason they got themselves in prison.

    Comment by Some fella — July 23, 2013 @ 2:25 AM | Reply

    • While I agree that these two should be penalised for their actions (getting way overboard with their sex antics and nonsensical postings), the 15 years jail sentence is indeed too much. This is like jailing a man for stealing food out of hunger while a dentist with a multi-million dollar villa/mansion gets away scott free…

      Anyway, if your justification that they deserve to be charged for all the above, I can honestly say a LOT of the ministers in Malaysia’s ruling government should be charged as well. Offensive greeting = 15 years jail, Offensive remarks and/or conducts = a Parliament seat.

      Comment by WakeUp! — July 23, 2013 @ 7:00 AM | Reply

    • See i’m not going to be partial on this matter. Sometime ago, there was a picture going around with a bunch of guys PROTESTING ON THE STREETS and went ahead and stepped on a cows head. As far as I know, they were told to not do it again and left alone after that. Last I checked, Hinduism is an accepted religion in Malaysia and a cow bears significant religious importance.

      Since you are such a believer in the law, pointing out every available law to punish these two, how is fair to let the other guys go? How can justice be impartial?

      Comment by Confused. — July 23, 2013 @ 1:24 PM | Reply

  52. These 2 fella is a disgrace to our fellow malaysian. they even made sex videos as well. What you know in singapore may be a little piece of info regarding this.

    Comment by Some fella — July 23, 2013 @ 2:20 AM | Reply

  53. im muslim from malaysia…reading ur view on this thing i really agree with u…and for us muslim we have to show a good manners than only other race and religion will respect us…threats will make the non muslim ppl think islam is a religion of violence which is not true :)………

    Comment by mizzkamalia19 — July 23, 2013 @ 2:16 AM | Reply

  54. Well written, I may not be a malay, but when i see them, i see them as a laughing stock and nothing else. Maybe seeing them as stupid, immature and all that, definitely like you say, they do not carry hate in them as they is so much more things that are worst in the world.

    Comment by Gwen — July 23, 2013 @ 1:34 AM | Reply

  55. to see it this way is much more better…cuz there r no wrong in wat they do actly…any1 can join fasting…n they can also follow the “buka puasa” n wat alvin r eating is really “halal” for them as chinese…but there r no “halal” sign provided for chinese culture….so where is it gone wrong..???see it in bigger picture you all malaysian…n for more to know…FB is for personally for they want to do or post in it..y judge it..??feel unease just block it…or report the user….dats all……crazy…wat a disgrace verdict…even an underage rapist only been punished 8 years in jail for such a heavy crime(i saw it in paper)…..

    Comment by Joy Maynard — July 23, 2013 @ 1:03 AM | Reply

  56. I’m not really that offended it’s just that they should have used other foods instead of bah kut teh bcause it’s a haram food for muslims. you know muslims are sensitive when it comes to religion. we dont make fun of our ibadah it’s not something we can simply make fun of.

    Comment by anakpoje — July 22, 2013 @ 11:16 PM | Reply

  57. ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THOSE MAKING JOKE OF ISLAM- THE MORAL OF THE STORY

    Comment by HAFIZ — July 22, 2013 @ 10:13 PM | Reply

  58. this what a Malaysia i lived in now.. even if you are named a christian name, no higher education for you… you fight for your right, you got beaten or kill by the police and jailed for telling the truth. even insulting others religion no action taken especially when u are in an Islamic NGO and you are a politician.

    Comment by paul stephen — July 22, 2013 @ 9:44 PM | Reply

  59. Iam muslim too and i have to agree and disagree when it comes to these bloggers. Firstly the uproar and following punishment is quite over the top yes but the thing that grinds my gears is that this couple has a history of seeking controversial attention – sex vids, naked pics with the nation’s flag, getting kicked out from a sg uni on a scholarship (he must have been smart to get one i guess?) I wouldnt have much a problem is you replaced the bakuteh pic with another random chinese msia/sg couple but just the fact that it’s these two really irritates me. Whether they got in trouble for this or what ever they do next, they are bound to cross the line and it’s rather embarrassing too knowing that they are malaysians.

    Overall, i would like them punished but not this harshly, though maybe a hefty fine perhaps?

    Comment by Bil — July 22, 2013 @ 8:48 PM | Reply

  60. I believe that malaysian muslim is a little bit narrow minded and jude people hastily without referring to the Quran.

    Comment by nadia — July 22, 2013 @ 8:38 PM | Reply

  61. Good read 🙂

    Comment by Syazwina Zafira Zamanuddin — July 22, 2013 @ 8:38 PM | Reply

  62. As a Singaporean Malay/Muslim residing in Malaysia, I’m pretty much gave the episode a “Meh” treatment because we all know where real hate – both Muslims and non-Muslims – is. To over-react is to directly play into your own self-fulfilling, destructive prophecy that everyone not a Muslim is conniving to bring you down. That, to me, is the real shame of the Muslim ummah these days: that every slight against them is perceived as “trying to destroy the Holy Ka’abah in Mecca,” because “no Muslim can enter the Holy Haram.”

    As is the case in Malaysia, the majority of the Malay/Muslim community are silent in order not to be labelled as “hypocrites” (munafiq) or “apostate” (murtad), both which carries both heavy connotations and sometimes death penalties (especially for the latter).

    I find this silence very disturbing, and downright Niemöller-like.

    Comment by Hitoribocchi — July 22, 2013 @ 8:13 PM | Reply

  63. Malaysia. Apa pun Boleh. Malaysia Boleh!
    Being objective and not bias is hard to find nowadays.

    Comment by Chace — July 22, 2013 @ 7:48 PM | Reply

  64. I believe, they are pros and cons when facing this kind of issue. But, nonetheless, both of them openly regretted it and yes, apologies made from the couple really hit me, and I hope to all too. To err is human, we make mistakes no matter whoever, whatever and wherever you are. As a responsible Muslim, I accepted their apologies. That’s all, case closed, and life moved on. Islam teaches you to be a better person, everyday. When we apologize, it’s a beautiful thing we see before our eyes, and it heals. Insha Allah.

    Comment by reshduo. — July 22, 2013 @ 7:14 PM | Reply

  65. Im Muslim Malay too. I think most people overreact to this issue. Yes im agree these couple are idiot but to punish them like that i think is too much. NOt ot mention some political party try to get Muslim support through this issue. Thereare lots more issue out there that deserved more attention like firecracker.

    Comment by Afnan — July 22, 2013 @ 6:57 PM | Reply

  66. Lol its not about who gets offended n who do not..im a muslim n i dont feel offended..its about a lamb going in a wolf cage and expecting to be spared, going by this article logic. They know well enough doing what they did WILL offend alot of not so educated people in malaysia, n politician offended or not will take that chance to gain mileage n the judge will balk due to media pressure. Do they deserve it? Yes. Isit fair when others like ibrahim ali get off free? No.. But that is the reality in malaysia. As other countries have their own unique realities good or bad. Expecting the world to accomodate you, is like wishing to be born as a king/queen. When you play with fire expect to get burned! This is in a country where a journalist was locked up for her own safety! And a guy who spout nonsense about burning bibles, gets a slap on his wrist. Please be realistic..if you dont like the reality here, put work into yourself, get rich or move to better countries. For me, i know i dont live in a first world environment but i love malaysia n thankful for wht shes given me..i try to be first world in earning n sivic conciousness, hopefully my little ripple will be a positive one for my country.

    Comment by Lemon — July 22, 2013 @ 6:15 PM | Reply

  67. Don’t lump us Malay muslims together. We have extremists, liberals and everything in between.

    Comment by rezzuan — July 22, 2013 @ 6:08 PM | Reply

  68. fuck you alvin

    Comment by Kimy van Manchit — July 22, 2013 @ 5:29 PM | Reply

  69. This is one good example why we can’t generalized people. Not all malay people are the same.

    Comment by Suzuni — July 22, 2013 @ 5:03 PM | Reply

  70. exactly my thoughts. im a Malaysian, and I was shocked and embarassed that so many ppl over-reacted over such a troll, and dissapointed that our “beloved” justice system paid more attention to them than the real issue, our safety and security.

    Comment by geekomaniac — July 22, 2013 @ 4:59 PM | Reply

  71. Beautifully written, if only everyone can look at it in this perspective Malaysia would be a better place to live in.

    Comment by malaysian — July 22, 2013 @ 4:50 PM | Reply

  72. which is why Malaysia is so backward and Singapore is centuries ahead! it’s the people who make a country what it is

    Comment by Hons — July 22, 2013 @ 4:42 PM | Reply

    • Uhmm..That girl is Singaporean, no?

      Comment by Morris — July 23, 2013 @ 11:47 AM | Reply

  73. NOT EVERYTHING CAN BE TREATED AS HUMOR. and this funny guys have been playing around for quite some time with the gov and muslim without knowing the law. dont u see his action shows racism? whose fault is it? but i do disagree on the punishment he received.

    Comment by mero — July 22, 2013 @ 4:16 PM | Reply

  74. Reblogged this on The Third Eye and commented:
    Worth Sharing

    Comment by boydenon — July 22, 2013 @ 3:56 PM | Reply

  75. Dear sir,

    Your arguments are invalid and riddled with logical fallacies. Here we go:

    – The couple intentionally incited the ire of a large majority of Malaysians, not for political and/or sociocultural reasons, but for the lulz. They weren’t just mere idiots to be ignored.

    – Thieves and criminals affect people personally — not an entire swath of the Malaysian population. The couple’s single-handed disturbance of national peace and security warrants the punishment they face.

    – Like you, I am just as exposed to the world, and therefore am not offended by the couple’s stupidity. However, I am not clueless enough to think that the couple’s actions are undeserving of rebuke and proper exemplary punishment. Dark humour is one thing — allowing it to persist, undisturbed, in our country is another. As much as I enjoy South Park, I wouldn’t want the social ills plaguing America to set foot here, on the purportedly ‘ideal’ basis of “freedom of speech”.

    – For the record, their actions are about as horrible as the cowhead incident and everything related to Ibrahim Ali.

    – You are either stupid, ignorant and/or clueless to suggest that Alvin’s Halal Bak Kut Teh photo contains no malice. All trolls of conduct are the result of at least some foundational level of malice or contempt for another and meant to bring the victim/recipient down — which is malicious in itself. Yes, the couple did not insult the prophet directly, nor did they call for the Quran to be defaced, nor did they injure a fellow Muslim physically — but they have still insulted Islam.

    – Your argument on frog legs is invalid. Frog legs doesn’t have the same connotation of haram as eating pork — in fact, you must admit that the phrase ‘makan katak’ doesn’t have the same weight as ‘makan babi’, no?

    – “To issue threats of violence, instigate suicide and even death threats over a food related matter is simply unacceptable.” It *may* be acceptable, but you fail to acknowledge that some people may still be inclined to act that way, especially less educated people? You are myopic, sir.

    – Also, stop cherrypicking Qur’anic verses whose context you fail to understand.

    Comment by xoxoxon — July 22, 2013 @ 3:00 PM | Reply

    • Well said. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      Comment by moslemforever — July 23, 2013 @ 10:43 AM | Reply

    • I have to agree with you on this. Its a blatant “f€£k u in d face” towards 60% of the people in Malaysia, in d holiest month, asking them with a smirk to eat the most disgusting animal ( according to their belief) as a joke! Intent is clear!!

      Comment by JanganMarah — July 23, 2013 @ 11:12 AM | Reply

    • more hate again. you are really completely missing this article’s point. it is so easy to dwell and find mistakes of every little thing. another scholar might just analyze your reply and break it down to point forms again to say where you are wrong. and it will go back and forwd for a very long time.

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:47 PM | Reply

    • Just shows you have a small, tiny heart & failed to see a bigger picture. Putting the stupid couple aside, pig or boar is just an animals, I dont understand why you all rage for an animal’s meat. I might not have vast knowledge in this religion as much as you are, but I know when in dire time, a Muslim can eat pork to save his life, but not drinking alcohol.

      Oh, and you said thieves & criminals just affects certain people personally? There are saying that “When you come to Malaysia, if you havent been raped or mugged/robbed/snatched/slashed, maybe you’re just lucky.”

      Hey, I’m a non Muslim that likes this religion very much & had been thinking to convert since small. But looking people like you, unforgiving even during Ramadhan month… NOPE. I dont think I want to be categorize with people like you.

      -I dont think you get the essence of this religion either-

      Comment by Malaysian — July 23, 2013 @ 5:13 PM | Reply

      • Malaysian……., if you want to convert, and now “don’t feel like it”, please do NOT use this incident as an excuse. If what you are feeling is true towards Allah, and you want to surrender to His Greatness, then do it…..Muslims are not perfect, but Islam is. But if you don’t dare to leave the things that you feel pleasurable that you think you have have to give up as a Muslim, do not use any incident or excuse for your lack of faith.

        Comment by I don't like what the world's coming to — July 24, 2013 @ 10:53 PM | Reply

        • Nope, not just this one incident (im not as shallow minded like you think) You never heard that nothing is perfect in this world? Believe what you want to believe is perfect. I said looking at people like you (yes, generally the GROUP of people like you), that ruin the image of religion. BTW, Im an atheist that love to read on religious things & listen to their side of story. Faith? I’ll leave it to religious people out there to have them. I only believe in morals, ethics, decencies.

          You know what? religion nowadays is just something human creates, modify & believe in parts that they want to. Dont tell me god printed those holy books. No, it’s printer machine & human who printed it. & it’s written & translated by human as well. (Dont rage at me here, it’s just truth)

          Comment by Malaysian — July 25, 2013 @ 9:46 AM | Reply

    • So it is better to be a Halah terrorist than a Haram idiot?

      Comment by Lucas Barry — July 23, 2013 @ 5:18 PM | Reply

  76. I applaud your good tolerance and open mindedness. Malaysia should be proud of citizens like yourself. If only many more Malaysians were as calm and mature as you who chose to see things from many perspectives.

    Comment by Thanis Lim — July 22, 2013 @ 2:31 PM | Reply

  77. I agree, but you are wrong in one thing .. ‘At most I could say that he is insensitive for suggesting that a dish most commonly made with pork is halal.’.. Bak kut teh is the name of the soup that is cooked with bone and meat, never specifically said ‘PORK’. A lot of muslim have been eating a mutton, chicken and vegetarian version of this soup for awhile now. There is even an Ustaz who posted picture of his ‘berbuka puasa’ with a vegetarian bak kut teh. The muslim in Xi’an china, been eating the soup for generations. So, they didnt do ANYTHING WRONG. It is the narrow mindedness of some ppl that is too quick to condemn without knowing. Its just food that got associated with pork, but who is making the association? There are many food that started a pork dish for example, ham, sausages and bacon, but made halal with other meat, but if you try to find their meanings in wiki, they are originally pork product. BUT …Bak kut teh has always been about a TEA SOUP.

    Comment by Amanda G. — July 22, 2013 @ 2:10 PM | Reply

    • awww shaddup, stop defending them. the more you defend the more shit you have to hide. come on! they clearly did what they did to find faults and create trouble! stop being so ignorant defending such stupid activity, yr only create more anger among people and to our muslim friend. it’s not about whteher pork or bak kut teh is right or wrong. these 2 idiots did something wrong. full stop. yes, they deserve punishment. full stop. but the punishment is not for the objective to scare other people. full stop. because it will only make people like you lagi angry and create more offensive stuff, saja want to show power. i think everyone should just stop showing power.

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:51 PM | Reply

  78. dont BLAME someone if youre NOT LIKELY to be like them. i dont CARE and who cares? this is ME and who i am. i dont need to be like somebody else or YOU. what the point of ARGUING about this stuff? advertising this so that you can tell people youre much BETTER than those who dont like this attempting to assault religion. “I believed the guy was an idiot and that’s it.” so THAT’S IT, so that it’s YOU, dont compare to others. not all people in this world have same brain as you. well, different brain, different opinion, different point of view, different belief and different choice. that what makes YOU and that what makes OTHERS

    Comment by AslanZalaf — July 22, 2013 @ 1:46 PM | Reply

    • i believe this statement and argument has been circulating the world for centuries already. nuff said. 🙂

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:52 PM | Reply

  79. From my point of view, I suppose 3 months jail would be more than enough. But must not set free without punishment for sure. This couple has not learn their lesson..

    Comment by Allan — July 22, 2013 @ 1:36 PM | Reply

  80. Im malay muslim from Malaysia and i agree with ur opinion. Our prophet teach us to treat people nicely even though they treat us badly.

    Yr comment reminds me of Prophet Muhammad SAW story which is his neighbourhood is blind and the person is a jew and the person dislike Prophet Muhammad SAW because she heard negative story about Prophet Muhammad SAW from other people mouth so the neighbour always throw the feces to Prophet Muhammad’s SAW house everyday. The Prophet is being patient to the neighbour until one day the neighbour did not throw the feces to his house. The Prophet is wondering why the neighbour did not act as usual and finally he figured out that the neighbour is fall sick and the Prophet visit the neighbour. One day, Prophet Muhammad SAW did not come to visit the neighbour and she ask who is feeding her food today because other people (Prophet close friend) is feeding her food. Then Prophet’s friend told that lady the person who used to feed her everyday gently while she sick is the Prophet Muhammad SAW who is the person that she used to throw the feces everyday because she heard negative about Prophet. Finally she attracted with the belief that being preach by the Prophet itself because of the good character that Prophet Muhammad SAW.

    The moral is although people treat you badly, we should reacts politely because each of us represents our religion. It think all religion teach us to respect each other.

    Comment by Zahra — July 22, 2013 @ 1:32 PM | Reply

    • best comment ever!

      Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:54 PM | Reply

  81. I was not bothered myself. They should just be punished not getting throw in jail. I guess we have too many typical malays and shallow minded people here that they didn’t even know bout the Islam in America, England or the world. I am ashamed.

    Comment by Babushka — July 22, 2013 @ 1:31 PM | Reply

  82. kerana itu lah Tuhan mengurniakan manusia akal dan fikiran supaya BERFIKIR DULU SEBELUM BERTINDAK…

    yakni, berfikir dulu sedalam-dalamnya sebelum mengeluarkan sesuatu kenyataan..

    bimbang kenyataan yang di beri tanpa sengaja menguris hati sesetangah pihak..

    maka kita di didik dari kecil supaya menghormati siapapun manusia itu, apapun agamanya, apapun bangsanya…

    yang salah tetap salah… kalau lah di katakan niat untuk berlawak jenaka yang kurang pandai, maka ingatlah bahawa NIAT TIDAK MENGHALALKAN CARA..

    #bermain masak-masak depan rumah, tidak sengaja tersalah nyala, bukan setakat rumah musnah, satu kampung habis binasa..

    renung-renungkan dan selamat beramal.. saling menghormati kalau hendak diri di hormati.. 🙂

    #peacenowar

    Comment by Nia — July 22, 2013 @ 11:33 AM | Reply

  83. I find the punishment to be very heavy and there was no justice to this. if anyone should have a 15 years jail it should be to those that have actually harm physically another human being… I always wonder why did Malaysia not put another form of punishment say public community service to the country? I believe that is the perfect punishment for both these two trolls if u ask me. Nothing better than a good cleaning service to our dirty smelly public toilets and a good paint on the buildings that has been vandalize by our young generation of Malaysia

    Comment by Gabrielna Wong — July 22, 2013 @ 10:49 AM | Reply

    • Malaysia is a Multiracial Country but Islam is Malaysia’s Official Religion is Islam. So if you don’t like islam, you can get out from this country. Giving the opportunity to being jailed is good enough than being banned from this country.

      Comment by ihsanazrin — July 23, 2013 @ 9:29 AM | Reply

      • true! but don’t ask people to get out, that make you sound like a bitchy boss dominator, and we don’t want that as reflection of what truly Muslim is, ‘don’t like, go!’ what???? come on! that doesn’t sound like the Prophet himself to me. jeez…

        Comment by cy — July 23, 2013 @ 4:56 PM | Reply

      • She never said anything about “dis-liking Islam” & this is not a country owned by you, the religion is not owned by you. Stop asking everyone to get out of this country. Religion is a sensitive issue & should be discussed with an open heart just like the blogger.

        -You dont like her post but you still reply; you dont like you get out of this post- <-how does that feels?

        Comment by Malaysian — July 23, 2013 @ 5:22 PM | Reply

  84. Respect.. hope others can learn from u.. =)

    Comment by Jess — July 22, 2013 @ 9:48 AM | Reply

  85. Only uncivilised people react and behave as though the world belongs to them.

    Comment by tigeryk — July 22, 2013 @ 5:04 AM | Reply

  86. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MALAY WITH ETHICS AND THOSE FREAKING MORONS IN MALAYSIA.

    Comment by Geronimo Miller — July 22, 2013 @ 4:42 AM | Reply

    • Takes one to know one!!

      Comment by Mrs. Jordan — July 22, 2013 @ 4:12 PM | Reply

    • I’m not usually one to call out on ignorance but please do not simply misuse terms. Some of us Muslims are not enraged by this act is because we have a much more liberal outlook on religion, not because we have ethics, than our conservative counterparts whom you so grossly accused of being morons. I apologize on behalf of my fellow people who acted irrationally but I would not pretend to not understand how they feel. Both parties were in the wrong here and I would suggest both parties to try and empathize with each other to prevent further conflict.

      Comment by DangoSage — July 23, 2013 @ 1:32 AM | Reply

  87. If only many more malay muslim can see it this way!

    Comment by sang kancil — July 22, 2013 @ 4:26 AM | Reply


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